Three Lucie's for the price of one and yet it still didn't grab the public's attention. We connected with the juries around Eurovision with this amazing piece of vocalisation and songwriting involving a former Eurovision winner - can our entry at Lisbon be even better? The process had to start at some point, given that we had already announced our presence in Portugal next May - last Friday was when BBC Eurovision opened up the selection pathway:
So what does that all mean? In summary:
You don't believe me? Read the same blurb in October 2016:
Have a good look and tell me the difference. It is as if BBC Eurovision have taken last year's template, decided that it will be much the same as last year and just changed a few words here and there, mainly to make it current. Am I being unfair? Is it a bit uninspiring? Could it have been jazzed up a tad to make it more encouraging to the willing amateur? I am sure it could! The major points are strikingly similar:
The only real difference between the two years are the words of Hugh Goldsmith and Guy Freeman.
Hugh's stand out words and phrases were:
2017
How about Guy's even briefer text?
2017
Being a member, we have already been asked to put our names forward for the process:
I have duly answered the email - hopefully I will rise to the top of the other 2000+ fans who have not participated in the last two years! It would be a very interesting experience although I am not sure I'd be able to blog about it much, what with non-disclosure agreements. To be honest, I think that my chances aren't that amazing, seeing that only 45 members are needed! Whether a Finalist materialises out of the public submissions is difficult to tell - in 2016, OGAE UK found Karl William Lund:
In 2017, we were informed that the OGAE selection missed out on the Final, reaching the stage beforehand, the penultimate stage of deliberation by the BBC delegation. Was that because more songwriters are now interested, not just from here but from around the globe? Emmelie De Forest was involved in the process last year, along with DWB Music Ltd, who had links with THREE of the six songs last year. I know from conversations with Greig Watts, director at the firm, that they are writing for many Eurovision markets and the UK is obviously one that they are concentrating hard to conquer, as would be expected from a home songwriting firm. There has also been a UK songwriting camp in Denmark, with a familiar face:
So what does that all mean? In summary:
Much the same as last year!
You don't believe me? Read the same blurb in October 2016:
Have a good look and tell me the difference. It is as if BBC Eurovision have taken last year's template, decided that it will be much the same as last year and just changed a few words here and there, mainly to make it current. Am I being unfair? Is it a bit uninspiring? Could it have been jazzed up a tad to make it more encouraging to the willing amateur? I am sure it could! The major points are strikingly similar:
The intro just substitutes "62nd", "Kyiv" and "Ukraine"
with "63rd", "Lisbon" and "Portugal"...
with "63rd", "Lisbon" and "Portugal"...
The "How To" section is exactly the same...
As is the picture...it is still from STOCKHOLM!
Does anyone from the Beeb remember that we were in Kyiv in May?
As is the picture...it is still from STOCKHOLM!
Does anyone from the Beeb remember that we were in Kyiv in May?
The only real difference between the two years are the words of Hugh Goldsmith and Guy Freeman.
Hugh's stand out words and phrases were:
2017
- "Impact"
- "Great is required"
- "emotive lyrics and memorable melodies with a brilliant production"
- "not constrained by genre - best in class is what we want"
2018
- "emotive lyrics, memorable melodies and brilliant productions"
- "originality and the element of surprise"
- "creatively fresh, brave and a little bit different"
You could say that Hugh got what he asked for with the amazing entry "Never Give Up On You" - emotive lyrics definitely, a great melody and in the end the best production of a UK Eurovision song that we have had for years. Admittedly, the song was not submitted through this route - Emmelie De Forest was part of the songwriting team and Lucie Jones was already a recognised musical theatre star.
What he appears to want in 2018 is something other than what we got this year - a safe set of six entries, none of which would offend but none of which stood out from the masses of everyday pop songs around the continent. Lucie Jones' powerful voice and stage watchability, together with the staging in Kyiv, took our song to 15th this year - when looking at the top 5 this year, there was a lot of variety of performances and song styles, none of which was found on the Eventim Apollo stage in January.
What he appears to want in 2018 is something other than what we got this year - a safe set of six entries, none of which would offend but none of which stood out from the masses of everyday pop songs around the continent. Lucie Jones' powerful voice and stage watchability, together with the staging in Kyiv, took our song to 15th this year - when looking at the top 5 this year, there was a lot of variety of performances and song styles, none of which was found on the Eventim Apollo stage in January.
How about Guy's even briefer text?
2017
- "passionately believes they've written an outstanding song"
- "win over the hearts and minds of millions"
- "go for it"
2018
- "brilliant song"
- "resonates with millions of people"
- "love to hear from you"
It is as if Guy is saying exactly the same thing but in slightly different language! To be honest, at least Hugh sounds passionate about this process, even if he knows full well that he will be getting a lot more entries now from the other available routes, those of the professional songwriters.
The other two constants that were revealed in amongst the blurb?
Eurovision : You Decide will be back!
and
OGAE UK will be involved again with the sifting through of the public submissions
I have duly answered the email - hopefully I will rise to the top of the other 2000+ fans who have not participated in the last two years! It would be a very interesting experience although I am not sure I'd be able to blog about it much, what with non-disclosure agreements. To be honest, I think that my chances aren't that amazing, seeing that only 45 members are needed! Whether a Finalist materialises out of the public submissions is difficult to tell - in 2016, OGAE UK found Karl William Lund:
In 2017, we were informed that the OGAE selection missed out on the Final, reaching the stage beforehand, the penultimate stage of deliberation by the BBC delegation. Was that because more songwriters are now interested, not just from here but from around the globe? Emmelie De Forest was involved in the process last year, along with DWB Music Ltd, who had links with THREE of the six songs last year. I know from conversations with Greig Watts, director at the firm, that they are writing for many Eurovision markets and the UK is obviously one that they are concentrating hard to conquer, as would be expected from a home songwriting firm. There has also been a UK songwriting camp in Denmark, with a familiar face:
Greta Salóme in Regent Street (not the Ark Recording Studio near Copenhagen, where the camp was based), shopping or sightseeing, I'm unsure but I suspect that she was in London in her capacity as Eurovision artist and composer. Will we be getting an entry with heavy use of the violin? Dipping into some of the UK's mythical tales? At least this is someone who 'gets' Eurovision...
I have this feeling that as we have had a public submission process each year for the last two NFs, this will continue for the foreseeable future. It always looks great PR-wise to get as many people involved with the process, especially on social media:
It is all still early days - I cannot imagine that there have been huge numbers of submissions yet, given there is still just over a fortnight to put an track forward. I am certain that we will see a few of the 'waifs and strays' of this process appearing soon, typically the ones who have absolutely no chance of making it to the NF. Until that time and the closing date, where all the submitted tracks will be brought together for OGAE UK to view, I should be grateful for the following...
What would I like to see this year from my nation? To be honest, we need someone who can sing live spot on every performance, someone who can connect with the camera and draw the viewer into the show, together with someone who can handle the media with a smile and some interesting chat:
Okay, so we need just something extra this year...perhaps it will be just having the right song that stands out from the other 40 odd nations and connects in a way that we weren't expecting - there's one every single year, here's hoping the UK get the lucky break in 2018!
I have this feeling that as we have had a public submission process each year for the last two NFs, this will continue for the foreseeable future. It always looks great PR-wise to get as many people involved with the process, especially on social media:
I do get the feeling that the chances of someone providing an entry from this method of selection is now less likely than in the first "Eurovision : You Decide" due to the added interest caused by the 15th placing of Lucie Jones. It is always possible that there is a "Amar pelos dois" out there amongst the hum drum ballads, a "Euphoria" amongst the swathe of so-so pop or even a "Hard Rock Hallelujah" sticking out of all the rock submitted. It is obvious that Hugh Goldsmith for one is keen to seen different genres being put forward, entries involving more than just a soloist on stage, along with lyrics and music that is edgier than traditional Eurovision. If anyone is stuck for ideas, have a look around the extremes of acts connected to Eurovision for inspiration - remember Onuka from Kyiv's interval? How about a three minute version of this on the NF stage:🎼 Could you write the UK entry for #Eurovision2018? 🇬🇧 Public submissions for our #Eurovision song are open! 👉 https://t.co/V6NMUeBhtfpic.twitter.com/NsImEtU86X— BBC Eurovision (@bbceurovision) September 29, 2017
It is all still early days - I cannot imagine that there have been huge numbers of submissions yet, given there is still just over a fortnight to put an track forward. I am certain that we will see a few of the 'waifs and strays' of this process appearing soon, typically the ones who have absolutely no chance of making it to the NF. Until that time and the closing date, where all the submitted tracks will be brought together for OGAE UK to view, I should be grateful for the following...
At least we do have this multi-route process and not an internal selection...
We will be able to attend yet another UK NF...
It is pleasing that BBC Eurovision and Hugh Goldsmith want
AT LEAST as good an entry as Never Give Up On You.
What would I like to see this year from my nation? To be honest, we need someone who can sing live spot on every performance, someone who can connect with the camera and draw the viewer into the show, together with someone who can handle the media with a smile and some interesting chat:
Okay, so we need just something extra this year...perhaps it will be just having the right song that stands out from the other 40 odd nations and connects in a way that we weren't expecting - there's one every single year, here's hoping the UK get the lucky break in 2018!